American "Remakes" of Top Asian Horrors.

[DE-G@vnor]

A mini rant for today.

Just saw the trailer for Dark Water and ONCE AGAIN, theres absolutely no reference to the fact that it is a Remake and not an original film. For anyone who enjoyed The Ring, The Grudge etc - please do take a look at the original releases.

Just gets my goat that Rami etc are advertising these films as their own work.

[Woz]

What about Tarantino plastering his name all over Hero...that's worse surely, as he had nothing at all to do with the production of the film - he's just promoting it.

Actually, don't get me started on Americans at the moment...

[sm]

A mini rant for today.

Just saw the trailer for Dark Water and ONCE AGAIN, theres absolutely no reference to the fact that it is a Remake and not an original film. For anyone who enjoyed The Ring, The Grudge etc - please do take a look at the original releases.

Just gets my goat that Rami etc are advertising these films as their own work.

I saw the original ring, I didn't like it much.

Edit: I just watched the american trailer for The Grudge and as I thought it does mention that is is a based on the original one.

[DE-G@vnor]

Go on Woz, hate those yanks!

I was especially disgusted by 2 key comments from Bush recently , on (not my usual veiwing) Trevor Macdonald.

Firstly, that America is "leading the world" for aid (cough, with the smallest percentage of GDP donated, but the highest number) and secondly that he would "rather the frontline in the war on terror be outside the US". A clear indication that the US must have thought post 9/11 (hate that phrase) - right then, how do we ensure the safety of our people - I know invade iraq and make that the home of terror.

Anyhoo, I digress - The Grudge was only "accredited" after a horrid legal battle over royalties. The writer was given a one off payment for a TV SHOW , not a cinema flick.

What gets my goat is why people are so opposed to reading subtitles that they need to do this in the first place.

And I'm totally with you on the Hero thing, I just didnt remember it as an example.

[sm]

What gets my goat is why people are so opposed to reading subtitles that they need to do this in the first place.

The problem with subtitles is that you can't do anything else apart from watch the movie. This is fine for the cinema but if I want a movie on in the background while I work I can't watch a subtitled film as I won't know what is going on.

Anyhoo, I digress - The Grudge was only "accredited" after a horrid legal battle over royalties. The writer was given a one off payment for a TV SHOW , not a cinema flick.

I did not know that.

[Woz]

I saw the original ring, I didn't like it much.

Did you see it after the US one?
I've found that people tend to prefer the one they saw first if they are not the type to read too much into a film.
Because of the nature of that film, the second watching is a very different experience.

[sm]

I saw the original ring, I didn't like it much.

Did you see it after the US one?
I've found that people tend to prefer the one they saw first if they are not the type to read too much into a film.

Yeah I saw the US one first and I agree with you as I too have found that people prefer the one they've seen first.

the second watching is a very different experience.

Go on....

[Woz]

the second watching is a very different experience.

Go on....

By which I mean the big scares and reveals lose much of their effect and so you're relying on the acting and direction more.
I can see that the US one is more flashy and the more subtle Japanese version could look pale in comparison.
Having seen the Japanese original first I found the US one overblown.

By the way - did you know that there is supposed to be a version of the Japanese one where the mouths of the victims are vertical? Apparently it's pretty upsetting.

[AG40k]

A mini rant for today.

Just saw the trailer for Dark Water and ONCE AGAIN, theres absolutely no reference to the fact that it is a Remake and not an original film. For anyone who enjoyed The Ring, The Grudge etc - please do take a look at the original releases.

Just gets my goat that Rami etc are advertising these films as their own work.

Are there any decent original movies out there these days?
All i have seen recently are comic book adaptations, story adaptations, remakes or sequals.
Not that they are bad, in fact they are very very good in most cases.
but originality is seemingly lacking.

[Woz]

Are there any decent original movies out there these days?
All i have seen recently are comic book adaptations, story adaptations, remakes or sequals.
Not that they are bad, in fact they are very very good in most cases.
but originality is seemingly lacking.

Well, for a start, the originals of the films mentioned here are all excellent : Hero, Ring, Dark Water.

OldBoy is amazing...really really brilliant, but not for the weak-stomached!
Do NOT read anything about OldBoy before you see it. It doesn't rely on twists, but the plot could very easily be spoiled by innocent comments.

I understand that House of Flying Daggers is possibly even better than Hero, but I've not had a chance to watch my copy yet.

Any animated film by Hayao Miyazaki will be brilliant and original. This is guaranteed. Some of them rank as the best animated films ever made.

There's a new Romero "Dead" film out soon...that should be awsome.

Run Lola Run...Donnie Darko...The Station Agent...The Incredibles...Man on Fire...the list goes on and on...

So, in summary, there's quite a few original and great movies about.

Ok, I'll admit that Man on Fire isn't that original, but it's got the lines :

>What are you gonna do? <
> What I do best. I'm gonna kill 'em. Anyone that was involved. Anybody who profited from it. Anybody who opens their eyes at me. <

But I'm not giving you The Incredibles, because I won't hear a bad thing about Pixar.

[Rascal]

Kung Fu Hustle - F'ing tops,

and Versus, Yakuza AND zombies in one film, can't say fairer than that.

Edit: and a yakuza that giggles like a mong all the time, even better.

Stacy

Japanese Schoolgirl Zombies, Not actually seen this, but the premise of it, is more than enough for me.

[sm]

OldBoy is amazing...really really brilliant, but not for the weak-stomached!
Do NOT read anything about OldBoy before you see it. It doesn't rely on twists, but the plot could very easily be spoiled by innocent comments.

I agree with that.

I understand that House of Flying Daggers is possibly even better than Hero, but I've not had a chance to watch my copy yet.

I didn't like hero or House of Flying Daggers, but they did look superb.

Any animated film by Hayao Miyazaki will be brilliant and original. This is guaranteed. Some of them rank as the best animated films ever made.

I've only seen spirited away, what other ones would you recommend.

There's a new Romero "Dead" film out soon...that should be awsome.

I can't wait . Also this year I'm looking forward to Serenity and The Devil's Rejects.

But I'm not giving you The Incredibles, because I won't hear a bad thing about Pixar.

Pixar are great, even though Cars looks crap.

Japanese Schoolgirl Zombies, Not actually seen this, but the premise of it, is more than enough for me.

..and me.

[Woz]

Stacy

Japanese Schoolgirl Zombies, Not actually seen this, but the premise of it, is more than enough for me.

I'm sold!

I'll lay money on their knee high socks being unaffected by them being dead...

[Woz]

Any animated film by Hayao Miyazaki will be brilliant and original. This is guaranteed. Some of them rank as the best animated films ever made.

I've only seen spirited away, what other ones would you recommend.

Princess Monononononononononoke (I never know when to stop spelling that*)




*See also banananananana and Pterry.

[DE-G@vnor]

If we are talking animated films, then Grave of the Fireflies is a beauty (in a When the wind blows, kind of way).

[Spook[UK]]

Battle Royale

From IMDB:
At the dawn of the new millennium, Japan is ina a state of near-collapse. Unemployment is at an all-time high, and violence amongst the nations youth is spiralling out of control. With school children boycotting their lessons and physically abusing their teachers, a beleaguered and near-defeated government decides to introduce a radical new measure: the Battle Royale Act Overseen by their former teacher, Kitano ('Beat' Takeshi) and requiring that a randomly chosen school class be taken to a deserted island and forced to fight each other to the death, the Act dictates that only one pupil be allowed to survive the punishment. He or she will return, not as the victor, but as the ultimate proof of the lengths to which the government are prepared to go to curb the tide of juvenile disobedience.

Class

[AG40k]

Battle Royale

From IMDB:
At the dawn of the new millennium, Japan is ina a state of near-collapse. Unemployment is at an all-time high, and violence amongst the nations youth is spiralling out of control. With school children boycotting their lessons and physically abusing their teachers, a beleaguered and near-defeated government decides to introduce a radical new measure: the Battle Royale Act Overseen by their former teacher, Kitano ('Beat' Takeshi) and requiring that a randomly chosen school class be taken to a deserted island and forced to fight each other to the death, the Act dictates that only one pupil be allowed to survive the punishment. He or she will return, not as the victor, but as the ultimate proof of the lengths to which the government are prepared to go to curb the tide of juvenile disobedience.

Class

battle royal kick ass, but the manga originals are better.
Theres only so much violence you can cram in a movie, comics let everything go that little bit futher.
There was word, although it was probabl;y complete lies, on a metroid movie, *tears to eye* if they did that right it would be fantastic, but the cgi would have to absoultely top notch as well as the way they introduce it, or any1 who hasnt heard of or played the series is going to a lost sheep.

[DE-G@vnor]

Battle Royale didn't really do it for me.

[sm]

Battle Royale didn't really do it for me.

I loved it.

[DE-G@vnor]

you bloody would wouldn't you.