The worst film of 2005.

Colony · Post by **Colony** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:48 am

Night wing / joe king wrote:i've been told recently that both movies are only 'based' on the book. The director could have stayed close to the story but made the world, various scenes and lots of other things look completely different.

Actually he stayed fairly close to the book but considering how short it actually is he would have had no choice but to elaborate.

King Kong and Batman Begins were both excellent. Narnia was pretty good. I stayed well clear of HHGTG and I will never watch it. I don't get why people ever thought it would be good if they had read the books. The humour to me wasn't visual so I don't see how it can be transfered to the screen.

War of the Worlds was disappointing. I want to see Wolf Creek and Land of the Dead.

Post by **Woz** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:56 am

-ReHaB- wrote: I think the reason it was like the cartoon movie was because that movie was based on a book by C.S Lewis and oh...look...so was the recent film ...what a coincidence.

...and the book was based on the bible by...well, god I guess.
It's a Christian allegory innit - with Azlan being the Christ figure.
C.S Lewis was by all accounts a bit of a god botherer.

Colony · Post by **Colony** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:59 am

Woz wrote:
-ReHaB- wrote: I think the reason it was like the cartoon movie was because that movie was based on a book by C.S Lewis and oh...look...so was the recent film ...what a coincidence.
...and the book was based on the bible by...well, god I guess.
It's a Christian allegory innit - with Azlan being the Christ figure.
C.S Lewis was by all accounts a bit of a god botherer.

Its a bloody kids book. Just because it loosely resembles a couple of Bible stories doesn't stop it being a good story. I read all of these books when I was a kid but I was so enthralled by them that I didn't notice the religious undertones.

Post by **-ReHaB-** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:15 am

You have a leader (Aslan) that get killed then is resurrected. But apparently....

There are many things from the Bible that seem to be paralleled in the Chronicles of Narnia. Amazingly though, Lewis said that the Chronicles weren't supposed to be an allegory in the true sense of the word, but that they were supposed to remind you of something you've heard before. In other words, he wasn't out to recreate the Bible for children; he just wanted to tell a story.

Post by **Woz** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:23 am

-ReHaB- wrote:You have a leader (Aslan) that get killed then is resurrected. But apparently....

There are many things from the Bible that seem to be paralleled in the Chronicles of Narnia. Amazingly though, Lewis said that the Chronicles weren't supposed to be an allegory in the true sense of the word, but that they were supposed to remind you of something you've heard before. In other words, he wasn't out to recreate the Bible for children; he just wanted to tell a story.

He was a leading Christian though, so read from that what you will.

Colony · Post by **Colony** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:44 pm

Woz wrote:
-ReHaB- wrote:You have a leader (Aslan) that get killed then is resurrected. But apparently....

There are many things from the Bible that seem to be paralleled in the Chronicles of Narnia. Amazingly though, Lewis said that the Chronicles weren't supposed to be an allegory in the true sense of the word, but that they were supposed to remind you of something you've heard before. In other words, he wasn't out to recreate the Bible for children; he just wanted to tell a story.
He was a leading Christian though, so read from that what you will.

If you are afriad that by reading it / watching it that you will be brainwashed into becoming a Christian then don't!

Post by **Bob_The_Engineer** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:04 pm

My word Woz. I am amazed by your attitude on this one.

So the guy was a Christian, so the guy wrote a story about sacrifice, love and good triumphing over evil.

He was not trying to influence a movie made 80 years after he wrote it, in order to brainwash a load of young people into becoming Christians.

The Matrix paralleled Christianity, Judaism, the teachings of Mohammed and many other religions. When I walked out I didn't want to become a guru, I just wanted to fly and learn Karate.

InnerCitySumo · Post by **InnerCitySumo** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:16 pm

DE-G@vnor wrote:
InnerCitySumo wrote:Oh yeah, the Grudge. Forgot to mention that one.

Liked it, and the Japanese one (to a lesser extent).
DEATH TO YOU FOR THAT COMMENT

Arrrrggggghhhh

(not a fanboy of these american RIP OFF (wheres the credit??) remakes, lack the atmosphere of the "different culture" if you ask me).

I enjoyed War Of The Worlds though, wouldn't say it was excellent (in fact, im hard pushed to pick one that was this year) - so maybe I'm the one thats off my tree.

I'm not normally one to prefer the remakes (though Ring was quite good) but in this case I think the fact that the same director remade the same film with slightly different actors, and better, makes it better. Practice makes perfect!

Dark Water (though I haven't seen it) is a good example of a remake gone bad, I believe.

Post by **Woz** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:10 pm

Bob_The_Engineer wrote:My word Woz. I am amazed by your attitude on this one.

So the guy was a Christian, so the guy wrote a story about sacrifice, love and good triumphing over evil.

He was not trying to influence a movie made 80 years after he wrote it, in order to brainwash a load of young people into becoming Christians.

I never said he did. I said it was an allegory for the story of Christ and that Lewis was a well known Christian.
I never said it had any evil subtext or anything - read what I've written.
OK - I did say 'god botherer', but as far as I'm aware Lewis was a committed Christian who wrote quite a few works on the subject, but if that phrase offends anyone, I apologise.

I just thought ReHaB's sarcastic response was ironic given the subject of his sig, that's all.

Also - Mark Kermode (a Christian) seems to think it's an allegory in his review of it on Radio 5, and he's a Doctor of Film you know. So there.

Spook[UK] · Post by **Spook[UK]** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:35 pm

Sucky Films of 2005:
Domino - Slick editing and jump cuts couldn't save this one...
Be Cool - Pathetic sequal to Get Shorty
The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou - You're either gonna love this one or hate it. I hated it.
Ocean's Twelve - Oh boy...
Closer - I hated each of the characters so I didn't care what happened to them

On the other hand if you want to see a pretty cool Korean film, check out Oldboy . There is a pretty grusome scene or two involving teeth and some pliers - think Reservoir Dogs but without the cut away by the camera...... uuuurgh

Post by **DE-G@vnor** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:45 pm

InnerCitySumo wrote: I'm not normally one to prefer the remakes (though Ring was quite good) but in this case I think the fact that the same director remade the same film with slightly different actors, and better, makes it better. Practice makes perfect!

Dark Water (though I haven't seen it) is a good example of a remake gone bad, I believe.

Thats a fair point well made

Although I still prefer the original (the TV series) to any of the other spin offs the director made. If you haven't seen it yet, by god its mean. (very very hard to get though as it's a miniseries).

Colony · Post by **Colony** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:55 pm

Woz wrote: Also - Mark Kermode (a Christian) seems to think it's an allegory in his review of it on Radio 5, and he's a Doctor of Film you know. So there.

He also said it makes no difference to how good the film is and that people should let it go. I get his podcasts too.

And I'm not trying to start a fight here, just saying.

Post by **Woz** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:05 pm

Colony wrote:
Woz wrote: Also - Mark Kermode (a Christian) seems to think it's an allegory in his review of it on Radio 5, and he's a Doctor of Film you know. So there.
He also said it makes no difference to how good the film is and that people should let it go. I get his podcasts too.

And I'm not trying to start a fight here, just saying.

I. Know.
He didn't really like the film much.
I've not seen it, so can't comment.
Liked the books a lot when I was a kid though, but I recently tried to read them to my kids and they were generally disinterested. Not sure if they are too young for it at the moment.

OldBoy is fantastic! Some people will be offended by him eating a live octopus though (and he does - it really is a live octopus).

John Dee · Post by **John Dee** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:34 am

Oldboy was a good film but the best remake for me has to be Shirow Masamune's Appleseed.

Post by **-ReHaB-** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:08 pm

Woz wrote:I just thought ReHaB's sarcastic response was ironic given the subject of his sig, that's all.

Also - Mark Kermode (a Christian) seems to think it's an allegory in his review of it on Radio 5, and he's a Doctor of Film you know. So there.

Indeed I was Woz

I also heard that Mark Komode review and thought he sounded like a pleb TBH.

Post by **-ReHaB-** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:13 pm

-ReHaB- wrote:
Woz wrote:I just thought ReHaB's sarcastic response was ironic given the subject of his sig, that's all.

Also - Mark Kermode (a Christian) seems to think it's an allegory in his review of it on Radio 5, and he's a Doctor of Film you know. So there.
Indeed I was Woz

I also heard that Mark Komode review and thought he sounded like a pleb TBH.

Also if you listen to the Komode podcast he goes on about it again..and he still sounds like a pleb.

Colony · Post by **Colony** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:24 pm

-ReHaB- wrote:
-ReHaB- wrote:
Woz wrote:I just thought ReHaB's sarcastic response was ironic given the subject of his sig, that's all.

Also - Mark Kermode (a Christian) seems to think it's an allegory in his review of it on Radio 5, and he's a Doctor of Film you know. So there.
Indeed I was Woz

I also heard that Mark Komode review and thought he sounded like a pleb TBH.
Also if you listen to the Komode podcast he goes on about it again..and he still sounds like a pleb.

I like Kermode. I find him entertaining. I take a lot of what he says with a pince of salt. Pirates is a good film I don't care what he says.

Post by **Woz** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:28 am

Colony wrote:
-ReHaB- wrote: Also if you listen to the Komode podcast he goes on about it again..and he still sounds like a pleb.
I like Kermode. I find him entertaining. I take a lot of what he says with a pince of salt. Pirates is a good film I don't care what he says.

I like him a lot, and I really like his rants - in fact his rant about Revolver (not mentioned in this thread yet!) was one of the radio high points of last year.
BUT - he's gotten a bit preachy since the LWW and March of the Penguins ep. Good on Mayo for reading out all the emails expressing the other point of view (especially since Mayo's also a Christian).

Pirates is brilliant, and I don't understand Kermode's problem with it at all.

All in all, it's one of the best podcasts out there, apart from Ricky Gervais and Steve Merchant's, which had me almost waking the family up while I was laughing.
Edit - psst, it's here : http://www.guardian.co.uk/podcasts/rickygervais/mp3.xml